Vin's 86 OEM++ TRD aus die Niederlande

  • Mach dir beim Farbton mal keine zu großen Hoffnungen. Der stimmt eigentlich nie wirklich überein. Leider.

    "There are a number of ways of increasing performance. (...) These items can all be modified by customers (...).
    Yet designing a low center of gravity body from scratch can only be achieved by the car's manufacturer. And that is what we have done."


    Hiromi Tamou
    Deputy General Manager, Subaru Engineering Division

  • Drück die Daumen, dass es passt ;)

    "There are a number of ways of increasing performance. (...) These items can all be modified by customers (...).
    Yet designing a low center of gravity body from scratch can only be achieved by the car's manufacturer. And that is what we have done."


    Hiromi Tamou
    Deputy General Manager, Subaru Engineering Division

  • viel Spass damit, aber bei den Farben kann ich dir sagen..


    jeder Blinde kann es sehen..


    leider wollen die das nicht besser hinbekommen... ich glaube nicht das dies nicht möglich ist.. Audi bekommt es mittlerweile auch (fast) hin ihr Kunststoff-Anbauteile im selben Farbton zu lackieren...


    drücke dir auf jeden Fall die daumen das es bei dir besser ist als bei den anderen die ich gesehen habe.. :thumbup:

  • "Virtual Dyno"? 8| Krass


    Also 13 PS und 11 NM mehr nur durch ein Ansaugsystem ist schon 'ne Hausnummer.
    Wenn die Werte der Realität entsprechen (keine Ahnung wie dieser virtuelle Prüfstandslauf misst), wär' das wirklich top :thumbup:


    Leider kein TÜV oder?

    "There are a number of ways of increasing performance. (...) These items can all be modified by customers (...).
    Yet designing a low center of gravity body from scratch can only be achieved by the car's manufacturer. And that is what we have done."


    Hiromi Tamou
    Deputy General Manager, Subaru Engineering Division

  • Beim Virtual Dyno muss aber auch die Strecke 1:1 gleich sein. Gleiche Temperatur/Luftdruck/Gewicht etc. Kleinster Schlupf und man hat komplett falsche Werte.


    Hast du den MAF skaliert mit dem Intake? Wie sieht dein LongTermFuelTrim aus? Der Sensor sitzt ja auf dem Bild kurz vor der Drosselklappe. Da wird es sicherlich eine gewisse Abweichung geben bei den Stock-Werten.
    Das AFR-Gemisch ist jetzt auch nicht das gelbe vom Ei :D


    Ansauggeräusch zu Stock?

  • I hope it's okay for you that I answer in English, my German is just not good enough to explain things in this discussion.


    So the road is 1:1 the same, the day and temperature off coarse are not. However if I correct for the difference, I still get a difference of 10 hp. The big problem here is the stock run. The stage 2 car should never have only 173 hp. The car runs really rich here and looses power in the high rpms. With the correct tune the difference would never be so big. You can see that the slope in the high rpms is not as steep as with the AFE intake. This is a difference regardless of the final hp number. With these dynos you should actually only look at the shape of the graphs. With the AFE it runs leaner, thus more power in the high rpms. I modded the snorkel Grimmspeed style,


    I did not scale the MAF yet. Fuel trims are higher, sometimes hit 10%, with the stock tune they would never go above 5%. I'll keep driving like this for a few days and do a few more pulls in the weekend. Then maybe scale the MAF. Also I'm curious if I find a difference in the 0-100 time, I really struggled getting it at 7.0 with my previous setup.


    The sound is completely awesome, the stock intake, it sounds like a angry Yaris, now it really sounds like a proper engine. The sound tube will be removed soon, it has no function any more, the whole in the AFE is still closed.

  • It's okay, np :)



    Stock runs really rich, up to 10.x AFR, but it only reads down to 12.07 or so.
    MAF-Scale would only improve driveability, you wouldn't notice that much more kind of power/torque, it just smoothes the LongTermFuelTrim so the actual AFR follows the command more and driving is more smooth (Shifting, Cruising etc)
    But i never saw a perfect scale ever :)


    LTFT should be within 5%. On Idle it can shoot up to 10%, but thats normal. Theres no airflow + high engine bay temp when standing still.


    The only thing to improve 0-100 time is E85, a tune alone (with petrol) won't give you much. You mentioned stage 2, so you drive a catless header? Nah, even with MAF-Scale, the numbers would be insignificant.


    I drive with the HKS "Snorkel" + Stock Airbox + HKS Hybrid Filter with Sound Generator delete. Sounds awesome :)


    Every car with stage 1 should hit minimum 175-180WHP(!). Stock runs around 160-165whp.
    Stage 2 i would say maybe 10whp more on petrol. (Ace header should be the best performance-wise, with properly AVCS).


    Do you have maybe a log and can upload it on datazap? So i can look at it.


    You can also pm me, didn't want to start some "smalltalk" on your showroom-thread :)

  • This is no small talk :) I'm happy to do it here. It's a nice discussion.


    Yes I have a stage 2 car on Euro 98, so with catless header. Unfortunately E85 is not available here.


    About the dyno: Also the blue line is with stage 2 with the same of the shelf tune, just with stock airbox. My setup:
    -Gruppe S / Kinugawa header and downpipe
    -And now with AFE intake and modded snorkel
    -Stock frontpipe and catback


    Here you can have a look at the datazaps:


    stock airbox: http://datazap.me/u/vvanrooij/…0&tmin=464.96&tmax=495.63
    Afe Takada: http://datazap.me/u/vvanrooij/…0&tmin=207.41&tmax=240.24

  • Hm, after looking at your logs. Even your stage 2 tune on stock airbox didn't run quite well (engine load/afr under 3.44v MAF)
    I would suggest to calibrate your MAF. It should feel better and on the long-term to be on the safe side. I dont know, do you feel some hesistation when driving/idle?


    Also i think you run the OTS Maps from the openflash site? They are typically for the NA market because of the high ethanol in petrol fuel.
    I would suggest running Wayno's pre 107.2 stage 2 tune. He calibrated the engine load/maf more, Shiv/Vishnu didn't even care about it.


    You can also run his newest revision, but i like his v107 by far the most :) One club member also runs his v107 (little maf change from my side) with the tomei uel, zero problems.

  • Thanks for the suggestions. To be honest I have 0% skills when it comes to this. I'm running a tune provided by our Belgian members. It includes launch control and cold start fix and should be optimized for 'our' EU fuel.


    Also about the " Shiv/Vishnu didn't even care about it" , that's worrying as I was planning to buy a custom tune from them.

  • Ja, die Farbe ist nicht wirklich getroffen.
    Aber habe auch noch keinen TRD gesehen, bei dem es gepasst hat. :(

    "There are a number of ways of increasing performance. (...) These items can all be modified by customers (...).
    Yet designing a low center of gravity body from scratch can only be achieved by the car's manufacturer. And that is what we have done."


    Hiromi Tamou
    Deputy General Manager, Subaru Engineering Division

  • Das habe Ich schön gewusst, das Pearl ist das Problem. Die Stoßstange und Haube haben sind auch nicht gleich. Das ist egal mit diese Farbe. Das kann man nur 100% haben wenn die Stoßstange und TRD kit zusammen lackiert wurden.


    Dennoch sieht das Auto super aus mit TRD kit :)


  • Selbst wenn man alles zusammen lackiert, ist es nie zu 100% identisch, weil Lack auf unterschiedlichen Untergründen (Blech und Kunststoff) immer etwas anders aussieht. Das ist ja auch ab Werk schon so. Nur nehmen das die meisten nicht wahr.
    Aber damit wäre es zumindest besser als wenn man es getrennt lackiert.

    Zitat

    Dennoch sieht das Auto super aus mit TRD kit :)

    Das stimmt :thumbup:

    "There are a number of ways of increasing performance. (...) These items can all be modified by customers (...).
    Yet designing a low center of gravity body from scratch can only be achieved by the car's manufacturer. And that is what we have done."


    Hiromi Tamou
    Deputy General Manager, Subaru Engineering Division

  • Hatte eigentlich nicht vor, die silbernen Teile vom BRZ durch Carbon zu ersetzen, aber bei dir sieht das so gut aus in Verbindung mit dem rot. Hast du noch Bilder von deinen Sitzen?


    Achja und wo hast du die Carbon-Teile her?

  • Die Optik der Akra Bleden ist wie immer ziemlich cool.
    Passen gut in die Aussparungen.

    "There are a number of ways of increasing performance. (...) These items can all be modified by customers (...).
    Yet designing a low center of gravity body from scratch can only be achieved by the car's manufacturer. And that is what we have done."


    Hiromi Tamou
    Deputy General Manager, Subaru Engineering Division